Vandalism ruins not just Art but sentiments too.

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• Hey Sandeep. I contradict myself by being back in action. There's fire alright here. Let me and u add to it. Sifting thru your posts, noticed a few gems, "Sandeep f*** Niki", no offence, with her telephone number out there." I think I know know where you're coming from but this is a public forum. But you can't see that it could easily go to "anonymous s****s Sandeep". Also, "Please feel embarrassed...." You're right mate. Level 2 of embarrassment is action. Weeks back, I landed 2 eve teasers behind bars because I was beyond mere embarrassment at their antics. But me thinks, you're still stuck at Level 1. No offense again. I know some folks are embarrased their whole lives, enough to not do anything about it. Also admit some people's ire at you is strong, but you invited it and I know you're smirking about that. Lastly, I have no association with the Wall Project. But having your attempts any any sort of beautification thwarted by whoever is not in good taste. It's that simple. I'm sure you will cringe if you see spit outside the main door you so lovingly chose to install at your house. You're smart enough to not take the door thing literally, and figure that the example is merely symbolic. Have a nice day!

  By RC | Oct 29, 2009 | 11:19 AM | Login to flag comment
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  Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Vandalism at wall project has hurt many people and that's a fact. Ask the little children/creative artists/amateurs who did it. Reactions have poured in not just for the city but the people involved too. @ Sandeep, you seem to be a pragmatic fellow. In fact, you seem to know almost everything. Pity, your thoughts are restricted to this section. As for the swears, you need to recheck your tone/language of writing before you comment on others...But you wouldn't accept that, would you?

  By shivalika sharma | Oct 29, 2009 | 09:54 AM | Login to flag comment
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  Woah!!!!! I see a lot of fire here. That's nice. Unfortunately, I still find an incapability among you guys in substantiating what your act. Come on, can't you guys come up with anything better. The age-old advice. Do something better. Put your writing for some good use. Yeah! Yeah! Even that 4 year old kid in my block can tell me that. And for the bloke who thinks I am doing this for fame, you really think you've made a smart comment. Pity you! And at RC, who made lot more sense, I've not felt offended at any comment. I guess you guys are. You are the one who;s advising me to pick up something new. And you are guys who think I am not doing anything better than typing in a blog. I mean, you are one's who think if you haven't painted, you are a fool. I am just putting forward an argument. And not a what is right and wrong. I've put forward an opinion, for which you can agree or disagree, not abuse. You need to go through all the comments again, RC. And I guess, in a debate, you come down to abuses when you don't have logical reasons to argue. And that's exactly what happened. Have a good read at Nikita's comments and then the other chicks comments. And try and figure out for yourself, who started writing shit, and who was not making sense. And who got agitated. Thanks for reading. This is a forum which should help everyone. And not few groups of people. Picking up a fight is very easy, brother. And for those who think I must not waste my time here, check your words again. This is a website for enthusiasts and not dormants. This was never meant to be an issue, a healthy discussion is what we guys should look up to. Not grandfather advices like mind your own business, you are a jerk, you need to do something better and those I am-smarter-than-you like comments. It'll be nice if you guys understand the medium we are using, and the very purpose of it. At this point, even I am bored of debating. There is fun in a debate only if you have some good points being made on the other end. I don't want to instigate anybody by saying this, because I know the next reply would be of some do-something-better in nature. Best of luck guys. Why can't you guys face anyone confronting you. I mean, is swears all you got.

  By Sandeep Iyer | Oct 28, 2009 | 07:17 PM | Login to flag comment
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  @ Sandeep : Writing shit loads of content wont make you famous dude.. Stop preaching.. And concentrate on something productive... Out of the whole content you wrote.. Only sensible was this "And make it a fun place to live." Cheers!!

  By Yogesh Waradkar | Oct 28, 2009 | 05:56 PM | Login to flag comment

• Hello Sandeep, "I don't need to paint a wall to show my participation in cleaning the city." You're absolutely right. You need to do something more for the betterment of this city, this country. Go take up a cause and stop spilling any more words here and use your time and typing skills for better things. I add no offence meant becuase you seeme to be offended by anything that anyone says. If you're a one man army, go to the Indo-Pak border, mate. And yes, I won't be back to read your reply. I have better things to do with my time.

  By RC | Oct 28, 2009 | 05:44 PM | Login to flag comment
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  Which was exactly what I was always trying to avoid. And about getting personal, I don't think I was the one who started it. And about contributing to a cause, I may not need to conform with the things you guys are doing. I think I have my own opinions that guide the things I abide to do for the society. I do things for the society and not to a particular city, Do good to the society, the city benefits automatically. I think that's a bigger thing to do. And you are no one to mark a comment on my commitment to the city. In fact, you even don't know how much I have contributed. Just by not being a part of a painting rally doesn't judge the commitment of a particular person. The activity was done by a group of individuals, and I appreciate that. But mind you, that's not the youth of Mumbai and this country. The youth of the country is more than just a few thousand students in the city of Mumbai. Moreover, they are people you may not have interacted in your whole life. And that's because you live in a facade where you think you and few of your friends are the only ones who contribute to the city. Well, if that's the case, you are extremely wrong. And it would be foolish of you to think so. I don't need to paint a wall to show my participation in cleaning the city. And please nail that in you head. And think twice before you utter such comments again. I presume you are educated and you have the abilities of checking what you say. I believe you have the prudence to judge the merit of an argument. So please, don't leave loose comments where you have to resort to replies like " It's easy to write." " Don't comment if you are not contributing." etc. I would have enjoyed a constructive debate, but I guess none of you guys are able to produce substantial points to defend your act. All get to read is emotional arguments and cribbing. And of course, the age old swears. Grow out of it. It's sad that people identify you as the youth of the country, people who throw loose words when caught by the throat. If you wish to carry a title, ensure that you can justify that position. I know this has been a very heated argument, but I am still committed to the cause of improving the city. But mind you, i'll do it in my own way. I may not necessarily need to follow a group to do so. And that holds true for all of you. If I don't believe in something, I am just not going to do it. Why me, even you'd do the same. And again, it doesn't mean I am not sentimental about the problem. Yes, do listen to your instincts, but let your mind see what you have to do as well. Cheers, let's improve this place. And make it a fun place to live.

  By Sandeep Iyer | Oct 28, 2009 | 05:12 PM | Login to flag comment
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  @ Sandeep, we are discussing an issue here, there's no need to get personal. If you have nothing to contribute towards the issue why comment so much. Move-on!

  By shivalika sharma | Oct 28, 2009 | 03:55 PM | Login to flag comment
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  Are we in a medium which was mean't to do something else other than writing? Please enlighten me about it, Ms. Shivalika Sharma. We shouldn't be conversing on a website, if you have problems with reading or writing. I can talk to you face to face as well. With that comment of yours, I am hoping that you won't reply. You need to write to do so. And you don't seem to be interested in writing. May be you must suggest a video data transfer facility to the moderators of the website. That's probably the medium you would want to use. I am sure writing and reading is something you are not too comfortable with.

  By Sandeep Iyer | Oct 28, 2009 | 03:01 PM | Login to flag comment
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  @Sandeep, you can write endlessly because it consumes nothing!! BRAVO

  By shivalika sharma | Oct 28, 2009 | 01:28 PM | Login to flag comment
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  @ Shivalika Sharma: Oh, Mumbai is Utopia. You need to wake up from your slumber. And come on, don't tell me you don't choose for a lesser evil. Even you know you've done that in your vote, if you have voted. And you know you that every single day, for I wouldn't how many more reasons. Choosing the lesser evil is basic human instincts. And I believe it's better than not choosing at all. And about feeling embarrassed about Mumbai. Yes, please feel embarrassed about the 26/11 attack. Please feel embarrassed about the 7/11 attack. Please feel embarrassed of the 30% water-cut all over Mumbai. Please, do feel embarrassed about the pollution levels in the city. Please do feel embarrassed about the night charges you pay in your rickshaws. Please do feel embarrassed about hospitals and the healthcare sector in your area. Please do feel embarrassed about the out-dated education system we have. Oh, I am sorry, you must among those Mumbaikars who don't think that way. Maybe, all this is just fine for you. Don't quote me wrong if I am feeling agitated here. I am for the whole idea of cleaning Mumbai and making it a better place to live. I am just not in support of the device we used, if at least you guys get the point now. If the common man is given the freedom to paint public properties, then he also has the right to stick a poster. It's a question of how one conceives a thought. How difficult it is to write "Sandeep f*** Niki", no offence, with her telephone number out there. For that matter, how different it is to a "Make love, not babies" message. I hope I am not sounding dirty. But the point I am trying to make here is, I don't see a difference between both the acts. And it doesn't need to be correct just because the idea has been conceived by few people in the city. Niki, I took the liberty to use your name here because I know you, and that if I had used some other girls name, I would have been in trouble. Niki-chikki, I didn't mean it, I just had to give an example. And just because I don't think it is wrong, doesn't mean it has to be wrong as well. I am just trying to prove my point with a sentiment and with a perspective not many people have thought over here. We live in a democracy, so let's take and give opinions. And let's not be carried away with a one dimensional thinking. We either way have enough politicians trying to keep Mumbai away from India. Wink. Wink. I am not against the thought of doing something good for the city. Of course, I want to. But I feel there is another, and there is a more rigid way to do so. You guys did the painting and I may have the problem with it. But I never stopped you guys, neither could I have. And for which I gave you guys a logical argument. Instead of looking for a new remedy, you guys are sitting and cribbing over what has failed. Why don't look at the functional reason for it to have failed. Or for that matter, the inability of the device to move people. I heard this line from one of my favourite movie, RDB: "Koi bhi desh perfect nahi hoti, usse perfect banani padti hai". And you can do that only if you are embarrassed about a few things in your city. Only because you were embarrassed about the walls, did you feel the need to paint the walls. That's what I mean when I say there's a lot to feel embarrassed about.

  By Sandeep Iyer | Oct 28, 2009 | 12:54 PM | Login to flag comment

• i was disappointed by seeing those posters! SAD it was! thanx now as they have put down the posters.. :) this was supposed to be done long back.. but it was like.. "vel aala hotaa.. pann Kaal naahi" :D.. jo hotaa hain acche ke liye hi hotaa hain.. off course in sacrifice of all those good - great artworks.. [mere 2 dosto kaa bhi kaam thaa re usmein.. :( ] hope by this movement, we will get more safety spaces to art on! :D Niks.. thanx n congrats for this little initiative.. which made a big difference! :)

  By Mangesh Bhayde | Oct 28, 2009 | 11:56 AM | Login to flag comment
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  @Mr Sandeep Iyer, i think u believe in settling for the lesser evil. But let me remind you Evil stay evil irrespective of the magnitude. In this case you're getting an opportunity to lend a voice but you chose to lend a deaf ear. Fine, like you said we have a lot many things to be embarrassed about! Thankfully not many mumbaikars think that way!! Cheers God Bless

  By shivalika sharma | Oct 28, 2009 | 09:26 AM | Login to flag comment
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  The same old story, hungry to be recognised. With every comment I am getting to read, I only get the feeling that you want people to come and appreciate your effort. The effort of not having your meals. The effort of sweating it out and all that jazz. Come on, no body asked to take the effort. And as you put it, you guys went ahead and did it voluntarily. Why are you even expecting people to lick legs then. I don't know if you guys are getting me wrong. I am not advocating anybody. I am just saying, let's not crib about it. Let's not get too sentimental about things, like we do with rather every issue in the world. I don't want to make this issue sound frivolous. But let's raise our heads and do the next thing and not talk about who should qualify to be a mumbaikar or not. If you wanted it to be an elite club, no one would have opened an open portal of this kind in the first place. Everyone who is a part of this website, is a part of this, because they connect to the city in some way or the other. And not necessarily in the way you do, Nikita. I may not necessarily want to make this city look beautiful by painting its wall. I may just not agree with the whole idea. Frankly speaking, I really don't. I feel we've exploited our civic right. In the name of freedom, doesn't mean you paint every piece of public property the way you wish to. Again, no that I am saying it is right to stick posters, spit and urinate on it as well. I just don't agree with either of the ways. And Nikita, I guess I hold a right to my opinions, don't I. If you think you made the city look clean with those paintings, I don't. These are two opinions. I don't believe in the means that was used. Now should that make me less Mumbaikar? I empathise with you guys. And I understand it is an effort. But if you come to think of it, you did manage to stop people from spitting and peeing on the wall. At least it's much better than stooping low and having hindu idols placed there. For the sticking of posters, neither did they stop you when you took the spray paints and did whatever you did on the wall. And neither can you stop them from doing the same. It's just that they choose to stick posters and use the space for advertising, and mind you, for free. Of course, the city needs to look clean. Maybe if we retrospect, the mean used was just not the best way to go about things. Let's learn from it. We can always go wrong, can't we? Again, I am not saying what you did was wrong. All I am saying is that if took the liberty to use public property in a particular manner, the producers of movies also took the same liberty. I think boils down to the same thing, I think all of us don't seems to realise what freedom actually means. And also, with the whole concept of democracy, on the backs of whom you guys went ahead and painted the walls. Yes, it is about doing anything, but just not everything. If one starts to use it excessively, the other is bound to do it as well. And Nikita, I may not agree with the concept of painting the walls, and that's my personal opinion. I think that itself is vandalising public property. But that doesn't make me less Mumbaite. And neither does it make you more Mumbaikar than me. I know you guys are very sentimental about the city, and so am I. But enough of this "My City" propaganda. It's everyone's city. It equally belongs to every fucker living in this country. Just by virtue of being born in the city, which again was your parent's choice and not yours, doesn't make you any superior to the ones who weren't born here. You really wouldn't want to weigh both our contributions to the society. I do it my own way and in my own capabilities. I didn't mean to hurt anybody's sentiments. I just wanted to knock my point in a forum, which I believe, is typical Mumbai trait. And I am sorry if I picked names. But I was just trying to make a point which I felt was relevant. Cheers And like I always say, there's a lot in this city to feel proud of, but there's a lot more to feel embarrassed about.

  By Sandeep Iyer | Oct 28, 2009 | 09:11 AM | Login to flag comment
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  a very very good observation aaditya : )

  By nikita sawant | Oct 27, 2009 | 10:56 PM | Login to flag comment
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  And also talking of untidy ... these posters look tidy...i dont think you should comment unless you have goen thru the work by the artist... the work was above the mark...

  By nikita sawant | Oct 27, 2009 | 10:54 PM | Login to flag comment
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  @sandeep iyer... am ashamed that you have said these things... thoese posters were put up barely in 10 mins these aritsts worked thru da day from 7 am till the light was gone .. i have seen every artist put in efforts right from a 6 year old girl to a 78 year old uncle and also a taxi walla... i feel bad people like you exist in mumbai ... none of these artist want there work to be recognised.. they werent paid to do this work it was voluntarily done to make things look better for us .. artist arent like politicians they genuinely work without any expectation for ur kindest info the people who have flagged comments here are just like you none of them are the artist ecxept for few... as i have said it in my blog if u cant connect to the paintings you arent a mumbaikar... these artist dint have food till 4pm only coz they were buy painting..did thoese jerks who pasted the posters skip there meals or work in the scorching heat?? no one did ... sandeep iyer if you arent intrested to make this place on which u live and eat and who also serves you .. dont bother to come near anythin that tastes smells or says MUMBAIKAR

  By nikita sawant | Oct 27, 2009 | 10:44 PM | Login to flag comment

• Well it was some sort of relief, when i saw those men removing those posters, just an hour back. Trust me today they mite have realised how hard it is to remove their own posters. I totally respect the strength of social media, which has done some outstanding contributions for our beloved Mumbai over the past yr or so. Love u guys and kudos

  By Sudi | Oct 27, 2009 | 10:23 PM | Login to flag comment
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  I beg to disagree. I may be wrong, but I guess the wall of fame project was to avoid people from spitting and peeing on the walls. You can't avoid people from sticking posters, just because you think they don't look good. Who said what we did was nice and that it was a piece of art. These are comments that are subjective. Just by adding few colours doesn't make it art. Just like how many of us took the liberty and freedom to paint the walls to make it 'look good', there were others who took the same liberty to stick posters. And yes, they can give the same reason, to make the city beautiful. They can always say that their posters look better than the colours many of us used. And, reading through most of the comments, I get the feeling that many of you guys want your effort to be appreciated. Well, that should have never been the intention in the first place. Nobody has the time to sympathise with you. After all, they never asked you to do so, do they. I think we must have a look at what we did ourselves. It's a tat for our tit. You are satisfying emotional urges with paintings. And they are hoping to make money with their posters. It was opinion of few hundreds that it looked untidy. What if one comes and says that those graffiti all of us drew on the walls makes the city look dirty. So all of us are playing with a sword with a sharp edge, on both sides. Both parties are not governed legally. I hope I've made sense to many, Let's not lose hope and behave hastily. Let's not crib of all the lost effort. Let's not swear. Let's go ahead, and do something even wiser. Let's do something for which they won't an answer to. Let's take our effort ahead. We are young, And let's use our brilliant heads to turn some heads. And not to bow our own. Cheers. There's a lot to feel proud of. But there's always a lot more to feel embarrassed about.

  By Sandeep Iyer | Oct 27, 2009 | 10:19 PM | Login to flag comment

• If they don't take the posters off, WE WILL !!

  By Anu | Oct 27, 2009 | 09:45 PM | Login to flag comment

• It is disgusting and insensitive on the part of the people who put up. Irony is that one of the movies whose poster has been put up is called "Gair" (meaning 'Incorrect'). What could've been more incorrect.

  By Aaditya | Oct 27, 2009 | 09:14 PM | Login to flag comment

• These people should really learn.. Instead of spoiling an art work they should be helping in promoting the event or helping out with the event to make our city better.. Sticking bills takes a few seconds and painting those walls takes hours.. This shows the difference between those f**kers and us..

  By Vaibhav | Oct 27, 2009 | 09:04 PM | Login to flag comment

• This people ate utter Jerk's....they think they are creative people, have concerns for everything which dnt involve them..where so called Mr Dalani who have concerns for everything and trying to increase his blog....I promise to every mumbaikar...i wuld not watch the movie who has vandalized such art...Our flim industry is such a pain....

  By Swapnil.Satam | Oct 27, 2009 | 01:54 PM | Login to flag comment

• We've wasted a few minutes of our time commenting on this post while those Ba***ds got away with what they did. BMC came up with this idea of painting wall to refrain people from pissing on'em, and it's only BMC that can take strict steps against these Movie producers/sponsors/promoters.

  By vinod | Oct 27, 2009 | 12:25 PM | Login to flag comment

• the people who had pasted all these posters are mad they r the one who spoil our city its freek!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its not an easy work to do art in such a manner in the hot afternoon .its stupidity to spoil it

  By priyanka purohit | Oct 27, 2009 | 12:17 PM | Login to flag comment
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  Awesome!

  Irresponsible act by the poster AD companies. Best example of stupidity and dumbness can be seen here. True art and true voice cannot be suppressed by anyone. Come on people, this really needs our attention. If not today then never...

  By Yogesh Waradkar | Oct 27, 2009 | 11:47 AM | Login to flag comment
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  Projects like this one, should be treated with a level of seriousness. I feel cops should be a little more vigilant, unless they've been offered something to overlook the activity. Its not hard to find the culprits. Its the 'chalta hai' attitude that needs to go.

  By shivalika sharma | Oct 27, 2009 | 09:35 AM | Login to flag comment
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  I think some sort of legal action should be taken against those companies that are putting up the posters on this project. Also the movies that are depicted on the posters should be boycotted. The ones i could make out are aladin and london dreams. Is there a way to find out who is responsible for this? I am so disgusted by what they have done.

  By Deetox | Oct 27, 2009 | 07:52 AM | Login to flag comment
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  it hurts : (

  By nikita sawant | Oct 26, 2009 | 08:31 PM | Login to flag comment
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  Awesome!

  is this THE WALL PROJECT being vandalized????

  By Aham | Oct 26, 2009 | 06:27 PM | Login to flag comment

• If only the walls didn't have all that color behind those stupid posters, I'd loved to have pissed on them. Shame on you d**k heads.

  By RC | Oct 26, 2009 | 06:16 PM | Login to flag comment